Verene · Apr 13, 2011, 03:10 AM // 03:10

Req can matter because you'll be autoattacking between spellcasts. Or at least you should be.

And mixed attributes like that generally make a staff worthless.

Kojima · Apr 13, 2011, 04:19 AM // 04:19

Simply put. If I were looking for a staff, I will not be buying it. Perhaps others are thinking the same too.

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 13, 2011, 04:22 AM // 04:22

actually its in white...HSR of spells is 20%
HCT is in gold 20%

SWIIFT head is 10% which i added on..
i bought the staff as is..

and i see ur point in the req now :/ but of course
hers the new thing...almost every mesmers gonna use backfire,wastrels demise SPAM, and some crappy degen...so why does damage matter when ur butthurt every direction?

thats whyi said it was

HSR all spells 20%
HCT fire 20%
HCT all spells 10%

old gray dude · Apr 13, 2011, 05:27 AM // 05:27

ok let me say this slowly so maybe u can finally get it the things that make 20/20 staffs so exp and great items that sell for 100e+ is that the mods are the same fire req hct fire
that way u can put a adept staff and a +1 staff wrapping then u can have a staff that is 40/20 +1/20% all fire ur staff can never do that so there for its not the kind of celestial staff that sells for insane amounts of ecto ever no matter what u try to say other its just not ever gonna be

Tripolityx · Apr 13, 2011, 05:49 AM // 05:49

This, I'm sorry man. There's rlly nothing to explain more out of it.

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Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

so either someone on here had hustlers and scammed

Bristlebane · Apr 13, 2011, 05:56 AM // 05:56

The times you don't care about req, it's usually better to go spear/focus or spear/shield set anyway.

Venganza · Apr 13, 2011, 06:12 AM // 06:12

I suspect all the banter about mixed mods and suchlike is getting way off topic.

It is true that damage from wands/staves does matter, you can calculate it if you want to bother quite easily.

For me however, when I solo UW, using a staff (or bow) allows me to direct damage where I so desire (out of aggro range), moreover the damage from a weapon is for all intents and purposes and extra spirit.

Let us be honest here however, the main reason almost everyone turns up their noses at anything but q9, is we simply want what we perceive to be the best, and what commands the most prestige in the market.

The only q10 weapon I own is a Curses BDS on a necro hero for example.

This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?

cataphract · Apr 13, 2011, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point.

They totally do.

Matirion Maeronta · Apr 13, 2011, 06:37 AM // 06:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venganza

This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?

Following that logic, it would be bad to buy q9 when q8 exists unless you have no choice, yet many people choose q9 over q8 due to skins and price. Even though the quality of the q8 is better, people choose to not go for it over even more trivial things then the req.

Del · Apr 13, 2011, 06:38 AM // 06:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Venganza

we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?

Actually, some people are practical people with common sense. I buy high req items unless there's a practical reason not to, because paying more when it wouldn't give me any practical advantage is just silly.

Don Zardeone · Apr 13, 2011, 09:12 AM // 09:12

I'm more practical with more common sense thus I buy collector, crafter or green items that cost around 500g, >5000g and 1-3k g respectively and are all perfect.

=P

Dzjudz · Apr 13, 2011, 09:25 AM // 09:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

look....honestly with this staff as well as other players, i would put everything into fire magic, ignore water...because the req is only for the DAMNED STAFF DAMAGE u want me to perf salv the mods off so you guys see where im confused?....this was a question thread...not a RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing argument thread or a pc thread.

WHY are REQS IMPORTANT ON A STAFF when the HCT/HSR matters alone...? THATS THE QUESTION..
THE REQ ONLY MATTERS ON HOW MUCH DAMAGE THE (STAFF ITSELF DOES){autoattacking}

if im wrong about the REQ then explain other reasons it matters

I didn't see somebody quickly and clearly explaining this: HCT mods (in this case Adept) and Of Mastery mods affect spells of the weapon req attribute.

So in this case, if you put an Adept Staff Head on your staff, you will still have the inherent 20% HCT of Fire, but you will also have 20% HCT of Water. You can't add mods that interact with Fire other than a Staff Wrapping of Fire Magic.

following spirit · Apr 13, 2011, 09:26 AM // 09:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronSheik

Most of my ranger builds run 8+1 marks, so I can't go without a r9 bow, and if r8 bows existed you bet your ass I'll front cash for it, just so I can lower my spec another point

.

yep they do use a R8 15-28 which i got when they used to drop shame its a 14^50. its a recurve. a shame ive not got the full set cause even with that i still need to spec 9 in marks cause of swapping to the others.

back to topic. when i first was looking at staves i was just as confused. Now when i get mixed attributes and high req i just look see if there are builds about that could or would use it. if there arent the merch is always willing

example r10 divine 20/20 protection which is of some use was sold for 10k. not alot but it was usable.

HawkofStorms · Apr 13, 2011, 03:03 PM // 15:03

*Whistles innocently as he puts his customized req 8 mursatt horn bow behind his back*

If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own. It's just a lot of inexperienced people don't recognize their value so they get rid of them. Heck, when I'm clearing out my storage a bit, I've almost accidentally merchanted req 8/7 stuff because I look at it and go "now why am I keeping a 14% long bow again?" before I notice the requirement again.

Lithril Ashwalker · Apr 13, 2011, 03:21 PM // 15:21

Someone must want it in game now but got offer for 25e and I'm gonna take it, also someone showed me what u guys meant thank u for being a pain to get me to see , wouldn't figured out if I got confused, one more question before this thread is closed , still possible to get 20(white)/20(gold inherit)inscribable staff to make a 40/40?

Del · Apr 13, 2011, 03:34 PM // 15:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

Someone must want it in game now but got offer for 25e and I'm gonna take it

Riiiight.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

still possible to get 20(white)/20(gold inherit)inscribable staff to make a 40/40?

Was it ever?

cataphract · Apr 13, 2011, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by following spirit

yep they do use a R8 15-28 which i got when they used to drop shame its a 14^50. its a recurve. a shame ive not got the full set cause even with that i still need to spec 9 in marks cause of swapping to the others.

Two things:

a) I thought the game did not differentiate between 14^50 and 15^50.
b) Why would you want to wield a bow and lower your Marksmanship attribute?

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Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own.

9300 hours played and I haven't seen a maxed req8 drop.

following spirit · Apr 14, 2011, 10:52 AM // 10:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by cataphract

Two things:

a) I thought the game did not differentiate between 14^50 and 15^50.
b) Why would you want to wield a bow and lower your Marksmanship attribute?

9300 hours played and I haven't seen a maxed req8 drop.

A, dont know

B,really so i can use a bow whilst using other builds and get the proper damage. something ive been playing around with.
C, max damage ie 15-28 r8 bows dont drop anymore. since the nerf ( or whatever it was) see lundy's low req thread. Max a r8 will drop now is 14-27.

Quote:

Originally Posted by HawkofStorms

*Whistles innocently as he puts his customized req 8 mursatt horn bow behind his back*.

cataphract · Apr 14, 2011, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Whaaaaa..? Req 8 bows not dropping with max damage any more? I wasn't aware of that. Which is not surprising since I don't pay much attention anyway.

This would be the perfect time to get some req 8 bows, don't you think? Saw a req 8 Longbow for sale couple of days ago. And while I prefer to have high Marksmanship in most of my builds, playing as BM makes me drop it to 9 or even 8.

Bristlebane · Apr 14, 2011, 12:28 PM // 12:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lithril Ashwalker

almost every mesmers gonna use backfire

Use a caster spear and voila, no Backfire. Sure you get Empathy instead but that just makes it more fun as you know they wasted Empathy on you and not one of your melee allies.

Apr 13, 2011, 03:10 AM // 03:10	#21
Verene Furnace Stoker Join Date: Jan 2009 Guild: [SOTA] Profession: D/	Req can matter because you'll be autoattacking between spellcasts. Or at least you should be. And mixed attributes like that generally make a staff worthless.

Apr 13, 2011, 04:19 AM // 04:19	#22
Kojima Krytan Explorer Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Home Guild: En Caligne Veritas [DARK] Profession: R/Rt	Simply put. If I were looking for a staff, I will not be buying it. Perhaps others are thinking the same too.

Apr 13, 2011, 04:22 AM // 04:22	#23
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	actually its in white...HSR of spells is 20% HCT is in gold 20% SWIIFT head is 10% which i added on.. i bought the staff as is.. and i see ur point in the req now :/ but of course hers the new thing...almost every mesmers gonna use backfire,wastrels demise SPAM, and some crappy degen...so why does damage matter when ur butthurt every direction? thats whyi said it was HSR all spells 20% HCT fire 20% HCT all spells 10%

Apr 13, 2011, 05:27 AM // 05:27	#24
old gray dude Krytan Explorer Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: way down south Guild: dragon ancients Profession: A/	ok let me say this slowly so maybe u can finally get it the things that make 20/20 staffs so exp and great items that sell for 100e+ is that the mods are the same fire req hct fire that way u can put a adept staff and a +1 staff wrapping then u can have a staff that is 40/20 +1/20% all fire ur staff can never do that so there for its not the kind of celestial staff that sells for insane amounts of ecto ever no matter what u try to say other its just not ever gonna be

Apr 13, 2011, 05:56 AM // 05:56	#26
Bristlebane Desert Nomad Join Date: Jan 2008 Profession: Mo/	The times you don't care about req, it's usually better to go spear/focus or spear/shield set anyway.

Apr 13, 2011, 06:12 AM // 06:12	#27
Venganza Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Feb 2011 Guild: Fire	I suspect all the banter about mixed mods and suchlike is getting way off topic. It is true that damage from wands/staves does matter, you can calculate it if you want to bother quite easily. For me however, when I solo UW, using a staff (or bow) allows me to direct damage where I so desire (out of aggro range), moreover the damage from a weapon is for all intents and purposes and extra spirit. Let us be honest here however, the main reason almost everyone turns up their noses at anything but q9, is we simply want what we perceive to be the best, and what commands the most prestige in the market. The only q10 weapon I own is a Curses BDS on a necro hero for example. This game is about titles and "stuff", and we all want the best "stuff", so is it any wonder no one buys anything but q9 unless they have no choice?

Apr 13, 2011, 09:12 AM // 09:12	#31
Don Zardeone Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Oct 2005	I'm more practical with more common sense thus I buy collector, crafter or green items that cost around 500g, >5000g and 1-3k g respectively and are all perfect. =P

Apr 13, 2011, 03:03 PM // 15:03	#34
HawkofStorms Hall Hero Join Date: Aug 2005 Profession: E/	Whistles innocently as he puts his customized req 8 mursatt horn bow behind his back If you just played enough, req 8s can be found on their own. It's just a lot of inexperienced people don't recognize their value so they get rid of them. Heck, when I'm clearing out my storage a bit, I've almost accidentally merchanted req 8/7 stuff because I look at it and go "now why am I keeping a 14% long bow again?" before I notice the requirement again.

Apr 13, 2011, 03:21 PM // 15:21	#35
Lithril Ashwalker Jungle Guide Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Alabama Profession: A/	Someone must want it in game now but got offer for 25e and I'm gonna take it, also someone showed me what u guys meant thank u for being a pain to get me to see , wouldn't figured out if I got confused, one more question before this thread is closed , still possible to get 20(white)/20(gold inherit)inscribable staff to make a 40/40?

Apr 14, 2011, 12:00 PM // 12:00	#39
cataphract Forge Runner Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Ashford Abbey Guild: Hey Mallyx [icU] Profession: Mo/Me	Whaaaaa..? Req 8 bows not dropping with max damage any more? I wasn't aware of that. Which is not surprising since I don't pay much attention anyway. This would be the perfect time to get some req 8 bows, don't you think? Saw a req 8 Longbow for sale couple of days ago. And while I prefer to have high Marksmanship in most of my builds, playing as BM makes me drop it to 9 or even 8.